I’m planning to go to a rural spot that has a Bortle class 3 night sky around Southern California. Can anyone recommend a beginner friendly telescope with decent magnification for around $200? I’m not interested in using an accompanying smart phone app to go with it either. I’d like to see nebulae and galaxies the most. Thank you.
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Okay, so here’s my recommendation:
Do NOT buy a $200 telescope new. You’re going to overpay to get a piece of kit that’s okay at best and unpleasant to use at worst (possibly due to uncomfortable eyepieces, difficulty in actually using the scope with bad alt/az controls, bad ergonomics with the stand, etc).
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If you want a cheap scope just to find out if you’ll like amateur astronomy: Go hit some garage sales or a resell app or Craigslist or something, but I particularly recommend garage sales. There’s plenty of these cheap ‘hobby killer’ telescopes that can be had for a fraction of their retail price this way, and the resell value is a little more reflective of what they’re actually worth.
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Alternatively: drop about 1/4 of that on some good binoculars. You can absolutely stargaze with binoculars, I actually always bring some when I do public outreach. I’m very fond of 7x50s, because the low magnification (the 7) works really great on open clusters and makes them easier to steer, while also not being so heavy that they wear out your arms after ten minutes. The 50 describes the aperture size, which means that your binoculars will have plenty of light- gathering capacity. The bigger the apertures, the more light they’ll collect, but the heavier and harder to use they’ll be. Plus, their magnification won’t be too far beneath the maximum magnification of a generic retail telescope.
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If you want a great starter scope: I’d suggest that you save your money, don’t burn your budget on a crappy retail refractor. I’d also suggest doing one of the two above things to decide if you even like astronomy enough to spend the money on a good scope. If you do like it, and you do want a good starter scope, it’s hard to go wrong with a 6" dobsonian. They’re relatively cheap for what they are, very portable and manageable, and there’s a LOT you can see with them, even in the city, but especially in dark skies. Also, you could probably find some good used ones in your area for a bargain; there’s lots of folks who splurge on telescopes and fall out of love with them, and then just have it sitting in the corner of the garage for years and years. Like I said, garage sales are really great for this.
Btw, don’t get aperture fever and splurge on a double-digit aperture. I did that, but I specifically did it for outreach purposes; if I was getting it strictly for my own use, I’d have a $1500 oversized dust collector because it can be a real PITA to move outside.
+1 on binos. They’ve kept me happy because they fit in a backpack or carry-on luggage. I’m deep in light pollution, so viewing is best done with some travel. They have less magnification, but they’re as bright as a much more expensive telescope and there’s a certain value to having two eyes on the night sky.
10x50 is where I landed. Probably the same weight as your 7x50. While yes, the 50(mm) describes the outer objective lens, the key thing is really the lens on the eye side. Divide the aperture by the mag and you find that exit pupil size. 50/10=5mm, which is about the size of a dilated adult eyeball pupil - and they get smaller as you age. I’m guessing you have a Celestron or similar astro bino which has some advantages for this hobby. I am surprised at the ~$40 price tag, so I no longer want to recommend against it. Where I WAS going was that 7x35s would likely give a similar image from a reputable manufacturer while saving a little weight and being more likely to be found at a garage sale. But who could say no to $40 new 7x50s? As long as OP avoids those 20x50 boating binos or 10x25 hunting binos, they’ll be in good shape. My 10x50s are closer to OP’s budget because I opted for Nikon Action Extremes to survive my beach spot, hikes, travel, drops, and any other mishaps alike. Things go bump in the night so rubber coating and waterproofing was worth it to me
I use 7x35s for outreach and they work pretty well. I got my kids the Celestron 10x50s and can’t recommend them enough. They’re really, really great. Not too heavy or bulky, even for kids, but still very capable of enhancing your stargazing experience. They can juuuust about split a Galilean moon, IME; Jupiter will look a little odd, but I haven’t been able to distinctly identify a moon with them.
By split a gallilean moon, do you just mean see up to 4 moons separate from Jupiter? I’m pretty sure I can distinctly see them, at least with elbows on a railing or on some mount. I guess I’ll have to look tonight if it’s clear. I kinda only remember catching 3 at a time and not investigating further. I do have 20/15 vision so I guess that plays a role. Good point to remind me not everyone has my hawk eyes. I don’t catch much color though. Usually too small and washed out. It’ll have slight pink bands at best. I haven’t been able to note a crescent shape for venus, either. But I figure even cheap scopes can show my planets, so it hasn’t been my focus
Yeah, that’s what I mean. I’m impressed! For me, Jupiter looked kinda smeary, like looking at it with an astigmatism, only it wasn’t an astigmatism, it was the moons. As for Venus, I guess you might just need higher magnification to cut through the glare and resolve the crescent. The minimum power I use in my dob is 50x and you can clearly see the crescent at that power.
Alright, seeing the moons was harder than I remember with 10x50 Nikon AE. Handheld, about 80deg up. For a few moments, I could pick them out, but the shakes got too intense to see them again reliably. That’s with decent knowledge of what to expect. My memory is probably based on the one time I actually used my homebuilt parallelogram mount. Or maybe when jupiter was 30deg up and my elbows were on a railing
Hey, it’s cool that you followed up with this! It would make sense that the shaking is too intense for the fine details, especially at that high angle. I feel like I’ve heard of people using image-stabilized binos for stargazing, maybe that could make a difference?
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